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Val  17 posts bridgetalk member  Reply |
When there is a lead out of turn and declarer rejects the lead and wants the correct person to lead, he (the declarer) can demand or forbid the lead of the suit. If he forbids the lead of the suit, and the correct opponent now leads and retains the lead. Is the forbidden suit still forbidden? If so, what law? If not, what law?
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JimO 175 posts Forum Host Reply |
See Law 56, and 50D.
When declarer exercises his option to forbid the lead of that suit, the card led out of turn is picked up and the correct defender leads. The prohibition is "for as long as he retains the lead" - Law 50D2a. So, for example, the defender would not be allowed to, say, cash an Ace in another suit and then switch to the forbidden suit. Once another player wins a trick and thus obtains the lead, this restriction is no longer in effect.
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Val 17 posts bridgetalk member Reply |
Thanks for the prompt reply. For some reason I could not find the correct law at the time. However, I did make the correct ruling.
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bluejak  427 posts Forum Host Reply |
The face up lead out of turn is common enough, but very complex to read from the Law book, because so many different Laws are involved. Unlike all other book rulings, English TDs are required to learn a "spiel" so they can deal with this one situation without reading from the Law book. In fact, to pass the EBU Club TD course, you will be tested on your spiel, which you will have to quote from memory.
Suppose a spade has been led out of turn and face up: perhaps the following spiel might help TDs around the world: You have five options. First, you may accept the lead, making it legal. Dummy goes down now, and you must remember to play the next card from your hand. Second, you must not consult partner, but if you want to then you can let partner play it on that lead. In that case you put your own hand down as dummy now. In the other three cases the lead reverts to the correct hand. Third, the spade remains on the table as a major penalty card, and must be played at the first legal opportunity. Leader can lead whatever he likes. Fourth, you can require a spade lead [if leader has a spade]. If so, the spade gets picked up, and that hand can play whatever he likes. Fifth, you can forbid a spade lead for as long as he retains the lead: again that card gets picked up. That will do for all but the most expert of games. At top level, if declarer chooses the third, fourth or fifth option, then you should warn the real leader that his partner's spade is unauthorised information to him. In the third option you should add that he is allowed to know that that spade will be played by partner if a spade is led. Actually, it is not the easiest of Laws. But being so common TDs get used to it.
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Val 17 posts bridgetalk member Reply |
Again, thanks. Here, also the total spiel was given and the option chosen was to forbid the lead of the suit that was led face up out of turn. The correct opponent made the lead of an Ace, winning the trick and then tried to lead the forbidden suit. I was pretty sure it was not permitted, and in fact did not permit the lead, just had a problem going through the laws book to prove the point to the opponent who stated that "in all the years of playing had never heard that the forbidden suit could not be led on the second lead." Since the player that had never heard that the forbidden suit could not be led on the second lead has played bridge for over 70 years, I decided to come here and get the expert help that I have received. Again thanks.
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bluejak 427 posts Forum Host Reply |
Let me tell you a story!
 In South Africa an opponent told me that I could not put my card face down until the player who had won the trick did. He told me there was a Law to this effect. I was amazed. Here I am, a well-known Laws expert around the world, and he has found a Law I have never heard of. I suggested we should get the TD over to read this new Law to me. The TD, who knew me well, trying hard not to laugh, failed to find that Law in the book, and in fact read the relevant Law out in full. The opponent, with a perfectly straight face, said the Law was different in World Championships, and decided to write to the WBF to say so. Naturally we all believed him.  I love the people who tell their opponents and the TDs the Laws, and quote their experience as though it means something. Actually, the South African has a reputation for this sort of thing,a dn people said they were glad I had stood up to him! 
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JimO 175 posts Forum Host Reply |
I am compiling a list of such laws - I call it "Law 94".
Apparently, I have a defective Lawbook - it only includes the first 93 Laws. Many players have been kind enough to point out to me the rest of Laws.
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