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bluejak

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Change of card ( 14:37:44 FriJul 26 2002 )

I have copied this from another Laws forum.


Would you please give me a ruling on the following:-

W is playing in a contract of 5 D. At a certain stage S wins ( and now has 2 tricks) and leads a club, W ( having no clubs ) drops a heart - says she made a mistake and then picks it up and plays a trump...making her contract.

I am querying the fact that she was permitted (by the Director) to change her play. Had she not been allowed to change her card she would have gone one down.

Please explain!

Many thanks,
Denise Gordon

  
JimO

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Re: Change of card ( 17:54:22 FriJul 26 2002 )

Law 45C2:
Declarer must play a card from his hand held face up, touching or nearly touching the table, or maintained in such a position as to indicate it has been played.


  
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Re: Change of card ( 05:21:50 SatJul 27 2002 )

Law 45 C4(b) . A player may change an inadvertant designation if done without pause for thought. In this case you would need to be at the table and be aware if the exact timing to decide whether it is inadvertant or a mistake . It seems to be a close call as to which way to rule.Declarer is in 5D and has already lost two tricks and it would be close to irrational not to trump the return when void in the suit .:niceday:

  
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Re: Change of card ( 13:48:40 SatJul 27 2002 )

45C4(b) does not apply here - that applies to a named or designated card (e.g, declarer's call of a card from dummy), not to a played card.

-Jim O'Neil

  
Ed

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Re: Change of card ( 03:18:56 SunJul 28 2002 )

Jim is correct that Law 45C4(b) does not apply here.

Neither does Law 45C2.

Law 48A says:

A. Declarer Exposes a Card
Declarer is not subject to penalty for exposing a card, and no card of declarer's or dummy's hand ever becomes a penalty card. Declarer is not required to play any card dropped accidentally.

TD ruled correctly, but it would have been better had TD read the applicable law at the table.:sad:

  
JimO

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Re: Change of card ( 03:28:02 SunJul 28 2002 )

If the card was dropped accidentally, then declarer may change it, of course, but that's not how I understand the situation. If she made a mistake and played the wrong card, then she may not change it.

Perhaps the original poster should clarify what was meant by "dropped" and "made a mistake".

-Jim O'Neil

  
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Re: Change of card ( 04:52:46 MonAug 5 2002 )

People seem to have missed the fact that W was revoking in playing a heart, and may correct the revoke prior to a subsequent trick, and declarer cannot have a penalty card, so may pick it up and chage without penalty

  
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Re: Change of card ( 21:14:58 MonAug 5 2002 )

oops.......disregard that last reply, got the contract wrong sorry:embarrassed:

  
Ed

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Re: Change of card ( 06:45:51 WedAug 7 2002 )

Quote: JimO at 03:28:02 Sun Jul 28 2002

If the card was dropped accidentally, then declarer may change it, of course, but that's not how I understand the situation. If she made a mistake and played the wrong card, then she may not change it.

Perhaps the original poster should clarify what was meant by "dropped" and "made a mistake".

-Jim O'Neil


I agree with your interpretation in your first paragraph, given your understanding of what happened, though I did read "dropped" as meaning "accidentally".

Agree also that clarification would help.

  

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