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Lead out of turn ( 06:52:41 SatMar 15 2003 ) Select Action Reply Quote post Report post Last posts Whisper Country: Hong Kong Club Duplicate Bridge Session West is declarer in 4S. South leads the DA out of turn. Declarer did not accept the lead and stated that a diamond should not be led. The DA was picked up and returned to the offender's hand. A diamond cannot now be led by offender's partner as long as he retains the lead. When offender's partner regains the lead after another player has won a trick he is entitled to lead a diamond. Offender's partner could clearly take advantage of the situation knowing that his partner has the ace even though it is unauthorised information. Without this knowledge he might lead another suit that would help the declarer. How do you rule in incidents like this when declarer feels that the offender's partner has taken advantage of a situation but has difficulty proving it.

bluejak 427 posts Forum Host Reply

Re: Lead out of turn ( 14:08:06 SatMar 15 2003 ) Select Action Reply Quote post Report post Last posts Ignore user Global ignore Whisper Proof is not required in judgement rulings. Unauthorised information [UI] cases are always treated the same, even though over 90% of them concern hesitations. Despite this, the methodology for non-hesitation UI cases is just the same. If there is a possibility that a diamond return could be based on the sight of the opening lead out of turn, the Director will consider whether there were logical alternatives to the diamond switch, whether the diamond switch was suggested by the UI, and whether there was damage. If all of these apply he adjusts the score. Since this is a judgement ruling, the Director will only make it after consultation and it is appealable. --- David Stevenson <laws2@blakjak.com> Liverpool, England, UK http://blakjak.com/lws_menu.htm

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Re: Lead out of turn ( 02:04:46 MonMar 24 2003 ) Select Action Reply Quote post Report post Last posts Whisper Country: USA Gentlemen, If I understand the question, Declarer would not have the choice of forbidding offenders partner from leading a Diamond. Under Law 57, declarer can: 1. require offender's partner to play the highest card of the suit led. 2. require offender's partner to play the lowest card he holds of the suit led, or 3. forbid offenders partner to play a card of another suit specified by declarer. Regards, Bob

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Re: Lead out of turn ( 05:25:00 MonMar 24 2003 ) Select Action Reply Quote post Report post Last posts Ignore user Global ignore Whisper You misunderstand the question, or the Laws. Law 57 does not apply here; it applies only when 1) a defender leads to the next trick before his partner has played to the current trick, or plays to the current trick out of rotation before his partner has played to the trick. Law 53A (when the lead is accepted) and Law 56 (when the lead is not) are the laws that apply here; Law 56 will refer you to Law 50D (major penalty card). Law 16C states that the info from withdrawn calls/plays is UI for the offenders, AI for the non-offenders. I agree with Mr. Stevenson's answer. --- -Jim O'Neil Oak Park, IL

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Re: Lead out of turn ( 18:48:38 MonJun 16 2003 ) Select Action Reply Quote post Report post Last posts Ignore user Global ignore Whisper Country: USA As a follow-on question: If, during the course of play, the offending player (with the Ace) makes a discard signal that would call for a diamond, does that 'offset' the UI -- in that now the partner has AI that the offender desires a diamond lead? Doug

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Re: Lead out of turn ( 19:11:46 MonJun 16 2003 ) Select Action Reply Quote post Report post Last posts Ignore user Global ignore Whisper Nothing 'offsets' UI, per se. The Laws on UI still apply. But they are affected by the current position. Under Law 73C a player must carefully avoid taking advantage of UI. If he has AI [authorised information] suggesting a particular play he may make that play if he is sure that he is not taking advantage of the UI. Under Law 16A a player may not choose amongst LAs one suggested by the UI. Particular bits of AI may affect whether a particular alternative is an LA. --- David Stevenson <laws2@blakjak.com> Liverpool, England, UK http://blakjak.com/lws_menu.htm

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