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what would you rule? ( 14:09:32 TueFeb 25 2003 )

Country: England

North opens 1NT, 12-14
East doubles with spade KJTxxx, H A, D AKT, C JTx
South bids 2D, not alerted, with five hearts and a 4 count
West bids 3D, having six diamonds and a nine count
North passes
East bids 3S
South passes
West bids 3NT
North passes
East bids 4S, End

Result 4S-1

NS dispute agreement as to whether they are playing exit transfers, convention card very poor. EW want adjustment.

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Re: what would you rule? ( 17:01:24 TueFeb 25 2003 )

If the Director cannot determine what the system is then he is instructed to rule misinformation. So there appears to be misinformation here, whether 2

was alerted or not.

But where is the damage? East-West seem to have reached game with a fair amount of distribution, an excellent suit, and 25 points. What would be different if they had been informed otherwise?

I cannot see any reason to adjust.

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JimO

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Re: what would you rule? ( 22:59:50 TueFeb 25 2003 )

Country: USA

I completely agree with David.

The footnote to Law 75 states:
"...the Director is to presume Mistaken Explanation, rather than Mistaken Bid, in the absence of evidence to the contrary..."

However, misinformation is not in itself enough to warrant an adjustment. There must be damage, and the damage must have been caused, at least in part, by the misinformation.

What would E-W have done differently if the 2D bid had been properly alerted?

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Re: what would you rule? ( 09:19:58 WedFeb 26 2003 )

Thankyou David/Jim for your prompt replies, which confirm my telephone ruling for a recent match played privately. A great facility for which I intend to register and participate in future.

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Re: what would you rule? ( 02:00:05 FriMar 14 2003 )

surely west was aware that the 2d bid by south was a transfer despite the lack of an alert.
if he was not aware surely he would have enquired as to the meaning of the bid - this may create a problem however as to enquire then bid the suit might open the door for some to claim UI, though i feel he has the right to enquire.
the diamond bid by west regardless of and enquiry must show a suit.
i'm more inclined to believe the contract was lost by misplay than by the lack of an alert since declarer knew wher all the hcps were.
no adjustment but a lecture to north to smarten up his act and learn his responses with interference after a no trump opening.

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Re: what would you rule? ( 02:43:46 FriMar 14 2003 )

Why should the TD being giving the players lectures? If the TD were to lecture every pair that forgets his system in an event then he would be giving at least ten lectures for every thirteen table section. It hardly seems the TD's job.

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