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Frances Hinden Reply

Re: UI case ( 13:32:26 ThuMar 6 2003 ) Select Action Reply Quote post Report post Last posts Whisper Country: UK I realise this is getting slightly off the point, but it makes me very cross to see the comment that the 'Stop' procedure isn't so important after 1NT pass (stop) 3NT. 95% of the time I will have an automatic pass. But 5% of the time I will have a hand that I might bid on (a major two-suiter is the most common when the 3NT bidder has a long minor). I want to think about whether or not to act _without_ giving partner UI which might influence him for or against a short-suit major lead (against if he's being ethical). So I always wait 10 seconds after any stop bid. Even ones where it's blatently obvious I couldn't possibly be thinking of bidding - just in case that isn't going to be the case next time.

Ed 172 posts Forum Host Reply

Re: UI case ( 15:10:59 ThuMar 6 2003 ) Select Action Reply Quote post Report post Last posts Ignore user Global ignore Whisper Country: USA Ah, but the "stop" bit isn't the important part. OB 7.1.3 says that if your RHO makes a jump bid, you must pause 10 seconds before calling. It makes no reference to the stop procedure. OB 7.1.1 says RHO "should" use the procedure. In the ACBL, the situation is much the same: player next to call after a skip bid is required to pause. In the ACBL case, the reg specifies "whether or not the stop procedure is used". The other side of this is that here use of the stop procedure is optional - though consistency is required.

HenryS Reply

Re: UI case ( 18:25:21 ThuMar 6 2003 ) Select Action Reply Quote post Report post Last posts Whisper Quote: Guest [Unregistered at 13:32:26 Thu Mar 6 2003]I realise this is getting slightly off the point, but it makes me very cross to see the comment that the 'Stop' procedure isn't so important after 1NT pass (stop) 3NT. 95% of the time I will have an automatic pass. But 5% of the time I will have a hand that I might bid on (a major two-suiter is the most common when the 3NT bidder has a long minor). I want to think about whether or not to act _without_ giving partner UI which might influence him for or against a short-suit major lead (against if he's being ethical). So I always wait 10 seconds after any stop bid. Even ones where it's blatently obvious I couldn't possibly be thinking of bidding - just in case that isn't going to be the case next time. Interestingly enough, the Bridge World (and I believe Edgar Kaplan) actually changed their mind on a ruling because of the failure of the 3nt bidder to announce a skip bid. Opening leader had something like jxx; xx; qxx; xxxxx and, after 1nt-p-3nt-paused/pass-pass-pass, led a heart. the opponents claimed damage and were awarded an adjusted score. When first submitted to the Bridge World, they agreed, but a number of subsequent correspondents argued that the pause was legal because it was made after a skip bid and hence did not convey UI. Edgar fultimately agreed with the argument and changed his mind to allow the heart lead. Think this was back in the late 1970s/early 1980s, but I must admit I can't cite chapter and verse.

bluejak 427 posts Forum Host Reply

Re: UI case ( 00:03:05 FriMar 7 2003 ) Select Action Reply Quote post Report post Last posts Ignore user Global ignore Whisper Perhaps we shall change the word 'should' in the next Orange book. It is definitely not optional in the EBU and WBU to use the Stop card. I was asked to act as an 'Appeals Advisor' in the Tollemache, the EBU's top inter-County event, when a player led the K from KT against 1NT P 3NT P P P. It was alleged that his partner had hesitated over 3NT. I told the player to appeal [the lead had been disallowed] and say that partner was not hesitating - he was merely making his mandatory pause over the stop bid. It is important that people stop consistently otherwise the procedure loses a lot of its worth. --- David Stevenson <laws2@blakjak.com> Liverpool, England, UK http://blakjak.com/lws_menu.htm

mycroft 67 posts bridgetalk member Reply

Re: UI case ( 17:10:42 FriMar 7 2003 ) Select Action Reply Quote post Report post Last posts Ignore user Global ignore Whisper speaking of jumps to 3NT, my favourite, from the Red Ribbon Pairs in Toronto: All red, MPs: LHO Pd RHO Me 1D 2H! 3NT P P 4H 2H - 6-12 HCP, 5+hearts, *any hand*, but we are allowed to pass with 8xxxx and a 6-count vul :-). After 4H, LHO screamed - literally - three times for the director, claiming I had hesitated, and partner bid. Partner pointed out that 3NT was a skip bid, and I *always* pause ~10 seconds after a skip bid (as I am supposed to!) "But he didn't use the stop card!" says LHO. The TD quietly explained to this pair the skip bid regulations, especially that part of them that said that I was allowed and expected to take my 10 seconds no matter what the situation, no matter wha the opponents did with the stop card. After he mananged to calm them down, the auction continued X-all pass; it was extremely hard to keep a smug smile off my face as I put down xxx xxx Jxxx Qxx; even my opponents realizing I had absolutely nothing to think about. It was even harder to be smug when partner, with 5620 and a decent 10-count, lost 4 tricks for a clear top... Sometimes it pays to be ethical :-)

JimO 175 posts Forum Host Reply

Re: UI case ( 17:20:12 FriMar 7 2003 ) Select Action Reply Quote post Report post Last posts Ignore user Global ignore Whisper Quote: mycroft at 17:10:42 Fri Mar 7 2003 After 4H, LHO screamed - literally - three times for the director, claiming I had hesitated, and partner bid. Partner pointed out that 3NT was a skip bid, and I *always* pause ~10 seconds after a skip bid (as I am supposed to!) "But he didn't use the stop card!" says LHO. Right. At this point I usually offer to assess a procedural penalty against the skip-bidder for failing to use the stop card. That usually ends the discussion. --- -Jim O'Neil Oak Park, IL

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