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John_M,UK Reply |
Country: England
Hi, I am looking for an objective opinion about "Score Correction Periods". I play in a lowly division of a winter bridge league ~ we play 7 matches per year but of course the opponents can be anywhere in the county making travel anywhere upwards of a four hour round trip. The league I play in has/(had?) no rules governing the correction of scores. The scoring procedure for as long as I have played in the league has always been that scores are agreed at the end of each round and the final score agreed at the end of the match and the team captains sign the league score sheet to attest to that ~ Any problems are sent away for adjuication. Recently a team I played against appealed a score after we had gone home ~ it was their club they had the "benefit" of having the time to carry out a "post-mortem". The score was adjusted and we appealed. The appeals committee agreed that the league rules on score corrections was very confusing (in fact they had none) and that the management committee should look at the issue, but in the meantime the appeals committee resorted to "other" laws that refer to 30 minute correction periods. My questions then; Is it reasonable to "introduce" a 30 minute "score correction period" without proving that the lack of one wasn't an intentional feature of the league? Is it reasonable to expect that teams wait around for 30 minutes after a match to ensure that "all is well" and that everyone has equal opportunity to sort out scores (having already "been there and done that")? Please bear in mind that the offending score correction was based on a "slam that couldn't have gone down without a revoke". And that 3 other pairs (1 of theirs 2 of ours) had made the same slam and all 8 pairs had played those boards ~ so presumably these people had every opportunity to question the score at the end of the round (of 8 boards) or before the final score which showed that they had narrowly lost. Kind regards, John. |
bluejak  427 posts Forum Host Reply |
I am afraid the decision is correct, and is the fault of your league.
 The correction period is defined in the Laws as 30 minutes unless the sponsoring organisation decrees otherwise. Your league clearly have not decreed otherwise thus the thirty minute period is correct, even though it favours the home team.  All I can suggest is that your league should learn from this incident for the future. The Merseyside Bridge League defines the Correction period for agreement of scores and for rulings as 24 hours from the end of the match, and for appeals as 48 hours from the end of the match. I commend these arrangements to all leagues everywhere. 
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John_M,UK Reply |
Country: England
Thanks for the reply bluejak. From my (novice) reading of the laws, the correction period of 30 minutes is for the correction of errors in "computation & tabulation" of scores. I would take this to mean the incorrect scoring of a hand eg. 3NT vulnerable being recorded as 400. I wouldn't take it to mean correcting a hand that had already been agreed on and scored correctly, eg 6NT going 1 off being corrected to 6NT making after the opposition had gone home ~ or am I missing some nuance? Kind regards, John. |
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bluejak 427 posts Forum Host Reply |
There are four possible Correction periods really, but they all default to 30 minutes if the sponsoring organisation does not specify otherwise.
They are [1] The score being computed and recorded at the table under Law 79C. [2] The score being calculated by the Directors to find the winners of the competition under Law 79C. [3] Rulings given under Law 92B. [4] Appeals held under Law 92B. If there is a question over whether someone has revoked that is a ruling under Law 92B.
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John_M,UK Reply |
Thanks again bluejak for the response.
If I may impose one last time on this topic for your time and patience. The "revoke" in the slam was not noted during the hand or the course of the round or at the scoring of the round or at the end of the match. It was "noticed" after the teams had gone home. The opposition got hold of one of our players and "ran through" the hand over the phone with them, and got him to agree that he or his partner must have revoked. I personally feel a little bit aggrieved at this situation as the chap in question wouldn't say "boo to a goose". Also, to expect someone to mentally recall a hand literally hours after it was played is ridiculous. ~ I know 1 person that could do that with any accuracy without special attention having been drawn to it at the time. Plus, the situation totally ignores the possibility of bad play from their players. As I said we are in a low division, lol. This phone call had to have taken place after the 30 minute time limit had elapsed as our team were on our way home when it elapsed ~ so presumably it was for the adjudicator to intercede as an unbiased third-party and take statements rather than rely on the "word" of one team? Another point of contention is the 30 minute period. We have no record of when the score was signed, we have no recollection of the time the score sheet was signed, we have no indication from anybody of the time that their appeal was lodged or the time that they assert the score sheet was signed. When we appealed against the score adjustment the appeals committee found as facts that i) The revoke had taken place. ii) The appeal was made within 30 minutes of the end of the match. From the laws you mention I cannot find one that refers to resurrecting a hand that had been played during a match ~ that was NOT subject to an appeal or adjudication during any part of the match, and the results and scores were agreed on and correctly recorded. I would be grateful of your opinion on this situation and I promise that I won't add another question. Kind regards, John. |
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bluejak 427 posts Forum Host Reply |
The only people who should really deal with rulings are Tournament Directors. You are in England so it is easy for you: even if your league does not provide phone numbers of Directors [which I believe they should] the EBU provides such phone numbers and they are published in the EBU Year book and in the EBU diary. Within a few months I expect them to appear on the EBU website. If nothing else, anyone can always phone me for a ruling [whether they are in England or elsewhere] by ringing me on 0151 677 7412 from Great Britain, or on +44 151 677 7412 from anywhere else.
It is legitimate to have a ruling decided between two captains, though if there is the slightest doubt I would suggest that captains should refer matters to a TD. In the case you cite, who decided it? It does not sound as though it was decided. One player of your team making unfortunate concessions over the phone is not a legitimate decision, unless he was the captain. It does not sound to me as though any ruling was given here, in which case the original agreed score stands.
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bluejak 427 posts Forum Host Reply |
Looking back over my answers I realise I have said both that the decision was right and that it was wrong!
Your first question concerned time. The 30 minute period stands, as I expalined, unless your league has decreed other wise [and they should]. The question was first raised within 30 minutes apparently. However, the way the ruling was given [or more properly, not given] was incorrect.
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John_M,UK Reply |
Country: England
Thanks bluejak, I appreciate the time and effort you gave to answering this question. All the best, John. |
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